Transcript for Favorites of 2020
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Intro: Hey, everybody, and welcome to another episode of How I Built It, the podcast that asks, How did you build that? It’s Episode 199 and it’s the last episode of the year. I thought I would do something fun for this episode. Every year over on my blog at Casabona.org, I round up my favorites of the year but I’ve never done that in podcast form. And while the next episode I had slated for rounding out 2020 was my 2021 yearly theme, I genuinely don’t like to make that public until I’ve really thought about it. And the blog posts have always started on January 2 of that year. So I want to keep up that tradition. And I thought that this would be a little fun way to round out the year. If you’re listening to this before Christmas, maybe it gives you some ideas for a Christmas gift.
But in any event, I want to tell you all about my favorite things from 2020. And if you’ve never read the blog posts, that’s usually a book, a TV show, a music gear, software, just stuff that I discovered or used even more or consumed in some way in the year, so let’s get into that. I do want to thank our sponsors for this episode. They are ConvertKit and Hostinger. You’ll hear all about them later in the show. But first, let’s get into my favorites of the year.
I usually break this down into two kind of sections. The first is media. First of all, I will link to previous posts for this sort of thing, the previous posts for my favorites in the show notes which you can find over at howibuilt.it/199. Again, I break this down into media favorites and tech favorites. Again, I don’t know why I’m over complicating this. Favorites of the year is a pretty self-explanatory one. But last year, my favorite gadget was the SwitchPod and my favorite app was GoodNotes which is super interesting because I don’t really use goodness that much this year. And things like that. So anyway, let’s jump into it.
First, let’s talk about the tech favorites because that’s what I always start with. My favorite gadget of the year is the Stream Deck by Elgato. I got this when I started doing more live streams. I heard a lot of people talking about it from my friends Chris Lema and Shawn Hasketh to David Sparks over Mac Sparky and the Automators podcast and a bunch of other things and I thought, “Hey, this could be a pretty fun device.” So I got the 15 button Elgato Stream Deck, and several months later, I have already realized that I should have gotten a bigger one. So probably around the end of the year, I will be getting the Stream Deck XL which is I think 32 buttons because I love it. I use it so much.
I do have a full blog post where I break down each screen of my Stream Deck but the first screen is generally used for controlling my environment. So I have a lot of ways to control my office lights. I have ways to control Zoom. I have a few buttons that will even open and rearrange windows thanks to its great integration with Keyboard Maestro. So for example, when I’m ready the podcast, I press the podcast button on my Stream Deck, and GarageBand comes up and Evernote which is where I take my show notes comes up and Zoom comes up. And those windows are arranged in such a way that works best for me. So I absolutely love that.
The second profile…so you can create these buttons in profiles. One is the default, which I just explained. The other is the eCamm Live profile. And that is all of the stuff that I use during a live stream. So I can switch between different screens, I can bring my camera in and out, I can bring in guests and things like that. So I’m a big fan of it. However, I end up switching between profiles and folders more than I’d like. So with the Stream Deck XL, I can kind of create sections of the Stream Deck that I can use for the various profiles. And it just gives me more options to seamlessly do things. So the Elgato Stream Deck, big, big thumbs up for me. I’m going to definitely explore it more often or more regularly and see what more I can do with it in 2021. But absolutely, absolutely a big fan of the Elgato Stream Deck.
Now, there are a couple of honorable mentions usually that I like to mention for each section. For gadget, the iPad Magic Keyboard ranks up there because it is expensive but it is perfectly made for the iPad. I had the Bridge Keyboard before that, which I’ve always been a big fan of. But the Magic Keyboard is absolutely perfect. It’s good to type on, it floats the iPad, which is pretty neat, and it’s very easy to unmount the iPad from the keyboard. So I find myself using my iPad in multiple modes more often. That is one of the honorable mentions.
The other and I don’t know if I could really say that this is an honorable mention because I just got it as I record this, but the Kindle Oasis, I kind of impulse bought it a few days ago as of recording this. But I already find myself using it more than I would my iPad or something like that. I got it because it’s small. I have like too many things that I need to carry with me already when I travel. So if I’m like at the end of one book and ready to start another, I don’t want to have to carry two books with me. It’s nice to have all of the books in my library with me on this device. It’s super light.
And it’s distraction-free, which is another thing, right? Because I was reading using the Kindle App on my iPad, but if I got…and yeah, there’s like “do not disturb” or whatever, but that doesn’t always work when the screen is on, frustratingly. You know, the distractions are still there. If I leave my phone and my iPad in one room and I keep my Kindle in the other, then there’s less likely a distraction. So Kindle Oasis, it might be too early to say it’s an honorable mention for my favorites but the first few days have been really good.
Finally, I got an electric drum set this year. I’ve been itching to play the drums a lot. So I figured, what perfect time to get a drum set than right before my son was born? But it’s been working out great. I’ve been closing my exercise rings more because of it. And it’s a fun way to kind of blow off steam and continue playing the drums. Just something I’ve done since high school. So another fun gadget that I picked up this year.
Okay, the next category is app. My app of the year is Milanote. I’ve mentioned this a lot on Twitter and on my blog, but the fine folks in Milanote reached out to me and they said hey, “Can we get a link on your users page?” And I said, “Well I have to use it. I have to use it and like it in order for me to add the link.” They hooked me up with a free pro account. And it’s been a lifesaver. I don’t know what is different about Milanote than others like Kanban Boards or things like that. But Milanote really just jives with the way I think.
So I have these boards for research, I have these boards for content. I keep most of my content and Airtable which arguably could be an honorable mention, even though I’ve been using it for more than just this year. But the way I can organize and visualize stuff in Milanote really just jives with the way I think. I’ve been a big fan of it. I’ve told my wife like—I hope that people in Milanote aren’t listening—but if they ever decide to revoke my free access or whatever, I can’t see a way I’m not paying for it, because it’s a great research buddy and it’s a great way for me to organize thoughts. I add links there for things I might want to have episode ideas about, I am organizing my WordPress here and review projects there, so like all the related stories in general ideas. It’s like a pinboard, where I could just put stuff, but then I can also organize it and make it look nice. So I really like Milanote. I would strongly recommend you check it out if you haven’t already.
Honorable mentions in the app category Tot, which is an app I’ve been using. It’s basically just a quick capture app that’s available for both iOS and Mac OS. So if you’ve got like seven notes, they’re color-coded. And basically, I’ve been using it to capture ideas and then put it wherever I want to put it. Usually, it makes its way into Bear Notes, which is my notes app of choice. But it’s also a nice way to keep like a running list of things that I want to get done, general quotes, or just again, quick, quick capture stuff where I can write it down now and then figure out where to put it later. I know some people use Drafts for that and maybe Drafts is better for that because it supports markdown a little better and it supports shortcuts a lot better. But Tot is a nice little app. Plus, it’s got like a menu bar icon so I can easily access it from there. Again, Drafts has that. But I’ve been digging on Tot lot.
The other app, not really an app, but it’s still software is iOS 14. They introduced widgets, and I love widgets. I’ve wanted widgets since the day I switched from Android. And I gotta say, I’m really happy with the way they work. I get information at a glance. I’ve been checking out more of my photos because I use the photo widget. And they do a good job of nicely surfacing photos you haven’t looked at in a while or photos from a specific day. So it’s been great. I really like the widgets in iOS 14. It looks even nicer on the iPhone 12 Pro Max, which is a little bit bigger screen wise. So it looks nice. I like it.
Then there’s one more honorable mention, and that is eCamm Live. eCamm Live is streaming software that I decided to pay for, I think in October, because I want to do more live streams. I’ve been doing more live streams and webinars and things like that. I was using OBS and I felt like I was fighting OBS a lot. So I finally bit the bullet and do the trial of eCamm Live. And you know what? It’s great. I can easily connect my iOS devices and share the screen there. It easily integrates with things like Twitch, and YouTube, and anything that supports the Streaming Protocol. And then you can just do regular recordings. I’ve been recording my courses through eCamm Live and then sending the files to my editor for him to edit. Again I’ve been a big fan of it.
The ability to seamlessly switch between scenes bring my face in and out means that there’s less editing time for my videos, and it makes my live streams a little bit more dynamic. So I’m a big fan of eCamm Live as well. Milanote probably just beats out eCamm Live. And it’s because I use Milanote every single day, whereas eCamm Live I use it a few times a week when I need to stream. That is my apps stuff. Milanote gets App of the year or my favorite app of the year, I should say. I’m not giving out awards. But Tot, iOS 14 and eCamm Live we’re really good, really good.
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Joe: Okay! Up next on this tour of my favorites of 2020 is thing I learned. This is pretty nebulous, right? Because this could be like, “Did I take an online course that I really loved?” Or “did I learn some sort of new skill that helps me do my job better?” This year, I picked again, the nebulous, I learned how to hire more. So I think something that a lot of small business owners like me and likely like you struggle with is: where do we spend our money to save us time? I know that parting with money can be very hard, especially in a year where there’s some economic uncertainty. But I made the decision to hire more people to do things that I don’t necessarily need to do.
So I’ve already been paying an editor to edit these episodes, at least the ones where it’s not just me talking, I have hired a transcriber to transcribe my episodes, hi, Evelyn, but I was still doing too much. I think one perfect example of this is hiring a video editor. Now, I am fully capable of editing videos. I actually do it professionally. I worked with my friends Sean and Brian last year at one on one videos where we recorded and edited videos. I still edit my own YouTube videos and people hire me to create instructional videos for them.
But when I looked at how long or where I was spending my time in my own courses, I would outline the course, I would learn or tighten up some of the things I was doing to make sure I was communicating them properly. I would script large parts of the course. Anything that wasn’t a screencast got scripted, and anything that was a screencast, I basically rehearsed. And then I recorded. And then the video editing process took probably 30% to 40% of the project’s overall time. Because even though I edit a lot of videos, I’m not particularly good at them. I’m not great. You know, there are some things I do to improve my process. The screencast thing is a little bit easier for me, but like talking head videos, I want to make sure I’m cutting the right way, I want to make sure the audio sounds good, and the color correction is done. Anyway.
So I finally decided to hire a video editor this year. And you know what? He does what I would do in a fraction of the time for a fraction of the price. So then I could use that time to promote my course or create more content or a bevy of other things that help me move towards selling more courses. So I think that was something important I finally realized this year as I was… I was losing workdays, right? I know a lot of people in the pandemic said they had a lot more time on their hands. I didn’t, because my daughter’s daycare closed, and we kept her home since. And on the days my wife goes to work, I’m Dad. I’m not working those days. So I lost workdays, and so I needed to make up for it in some way. And hiring the video editor, his name is Fred, he’s great, was a really great decision.
The other thing I did was hire a virtual assistant. That’s much more recent. But she has already proved to be fantastic. I was basically sitting at my dining room table on a Saturday morning trying to get something done while I achieved, I think, the best thing a parent of two kids can achieve, which is simultaneous naptime. But I felt like I was working against the clock. And I was more stressed about trying to get the task done than I was about anything else, right? And I’m like, “Am I going to get this done before they wake up?”
I shouldn’t live like that where I’m stressed to do what is essentially a simple research task. And I also shouldn’t be upset if my kids wake up from their nap before I want them to. Those are two unhealthy things. And I solved that by hiring a virtual assistant. So she does a lot of the research stuff that I would otherwise do. Again, she frees up a lot of my time. I am wading my way into the waters of virtual assistance but I really believe in 2021 I’m going to utilize her for even more stuff.
I’m still handling the outreach, I haven’t really given her access to my email or anything like that yet, or like my accounting. But I can see, based on her level of comfort, I can see me handing those tasks off to her. So learning to hire more. I wrote a blog post about that, too, that I’ll link to in the show notes over at howibuilt.it/199. But I think that getting over that mental hurdle frees me up for a lot of important things that I can do in my business even with less time.
Because to be honest, as we go into 2021 my wife’s a health care worker, so she’ll get the vaccine sooner than most maybe but I’m not going to, my kids aren’t going to and I’m just not comfortable sending my kids to daycare yet. My daughter is going to be in actual school come next September, so I’ll probably be working reduced hours for the foreseeable future. But with a good team in place, I don’t feel like my business is suffering because of it. So that’s the thing that I learned.
A couple of honorable mentions is a book I read called Marketing Made Simple helped me…I guess this will get mentioned twice because it’ll get mentioned in the book section too. But it helped me clarify my message a little bit more. You know, I’m still trying to do this the right way where I’m not just saying like, “Hey, this is really good. If you need it, you should have it,” and shifting my messaging to, “Hey, I know your problem. I know your problem and I have the solution for it.” So Marketing Made Simple helped me with that.
And then just PR outreach in general. Speaking of hiring, I hired a PR consultant. Her name is Brittney Lynn and she’s like an absolute delight. I’ll link to her in the show notes as well. I hired her for a couple of hours to help me figure out who I should be talking to, and where to find those people. And let me tell you, it was money well spent because I feel energized about the new niche that I’m working towards. I’m reaching out to a lot more people to try to get my messaging in front of different audiences, people who are maybe more likely to hire me for the services that I’m selling, more people who are likely to buy the courses I’m selling. So that was great. I learned a lot hiring Brittney. I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention that. So there you go. Thing I learned: how to hire more. Then the honorable mentions, honing my messaging a little bit and PR outreach.
So those are all of my tech favorites, though, I guess thing I learned isn’t really a tech favorite. That’s more like a business favorite. But that traditionally it’s always been a tech favorite because it’s like some language I learned or some technical aspect of podcasting. I didn’t do a lot of that this year. Not that I coded less. Well, I mean, I definitely did code less. But I focused a lot more on the business this year. I hit three years of self-employment in June, so I’m in the fourth year and I really want to make this work appropriately. We have two kids now so I want to make sure I’m running the business as well as possible.
Moving into media favorites. There are a couple of categories for media favorites. Book, TV, show, music, and movie, and podcast. So those are the five categories. I’ll also talk about some related things that I’m excited about going into 2021. So, that’s the media section that we’ll get into. But before we do that, I do want to tell you about our second sponsor for this episode, and that’s Hostinger.
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Joe: Okay, let’s talk about my media favorites, starting with book. Last year’s book was an easy one. It was “Educated” by Tara Westover. I read like 27 books last year. I thought the competition would be stiff, but Educated was too good. The same thing kind of happened this year. Now, we’re not at the end of the year yet. I set a goal of 20 books for 2020. I have read 13 and I’m counting the one I wrote. That counts, right? I think it counts. I read the book. I wrote the book so I know all of the words in it.
But the first or second book I read this year was The Ride of a Lifetime by Bob Iger, Robert Iger, as he’s credited on the book, the former CEO of Disney. And then when the pandemic hit, he decided to stay on and help Disney navigate through the pandemic. But I truly, truly enjoyed this book. I love Bob’s insight and candor, I loved getting a behind-the-scenes look at Disney’s acquisitions of which there were many, and I loved his storytelling. This was my favorite book of the year. It’s been listed as my favorite book of the year since I started the running list so that I wouldn’t suffer from the recency effect, right? If I was just picking now I’d probably say the current book I’m reading is my favorite. But I wanted this to be a good, true to the year list. So I started it in January. The Ride of a Lifetime was the first book I added to my favorites list for this year, and it remained there all year.
I want to contrast this with another book I read from a CEO in 2019 called “That Will Never Work” by Marc Randolph. He’s the founder of Netflix. I was trying to figure out what made Bob’s story so much better than Marc’s, and is that Bob would say something he did, and then relate it back to the kind of theme flowing throughout the book, which was lessons he learned and how he learned them and how it can relate to other leaders. Where Marc’s book was essentially just reliving the good old days. It was full of hubris and forced puns. And I really didn’t like it. And then it ended at Netflix’s IPO, which was in 2002. So we didn’t even get any insight into making the switch to streaming. So Bob’s book I thought was really well written. It’s my favorite of the year.
There are a few honorable mentions. One was Marketing Made Simple, which I mentioned earlier. The other that I had written down was “Dooku: Jedi Lost.” I just love Star Wars in the expanding universe. This was an audiobook. I also counted audiobooks in my list. That counts, right? But this was an audiobook. I thought it was really well done. I loved getting a backstory on Count Dooku and how talented he was and what Yoda was like as a master to a Padawan. We got insight into Qui-Gon being a Padawan and just a lot of really great backstory stuff. So big fan of that. I enjoyed that book. If you like Star Wars, I suspect you will too. That was the honorable mention for my favorite of 2020.
Okay, TV show time. TV show time. Let me tell you. Usually, TV shows in me were a bad fit. I always end up watching the same TV shows and they are Friends, Scrubs, Parks and Recs, 30 Rock and How I Met Your Mother. I usually just watch them over and over again. But we are in a golden era, a golden age of television. This year, there was a lot of good television despite the pandemic kind of putting a pause on a lot of things. You might think I’m going to pick the Mandalorian but it’s going to get honorable mention again because last year it got honorable mention as well.
The Mandalorian was something that I thought for sure was gonna get picked because I also this year watched Clone Wars and Rebels because I knew that there would be more tie-ins to the Mandalorian. I’m very glad I watched those. I used my pandemic time to watch those. And I watched them with my daughter. So that was like a fun bonding experience for us. She of course loves soccer because who doesn’t?
But my favorite TV show of the year is Ted Lasso. Because it was so surprising. Like I heard nothing about this show and then all of a sudden, everybody was talking about it. It’s on Apple TV Plus. I would honestly recommend you just get Apple TV Plus for Ted Lasso. It’s so funny but it also punches you in the gut. It reminds me a lot of Scrubs, which makes perfect sense, because Bill Lawrence is a producer on Ted Lasso as well and Zach Braff has even directed at least one episode. I can’t say enough.
Ted lasso is funny, and emotional, and it’s feel good, and you’re immediately invested in his story from the beginning. It’s the kind of feel good story that we needed in a year like 2020. I am so excited to see what happens in the next season. So I absolutely, absolutely loved Ted Lasson. Oh, I even got like halfway through and implored my wife to start watching it with me. So I started over for her. And I’m glad I did. I’m glad we got to watch it together because…gosh, it’s just so good.
Honorable mention. The Mandalorian has been incredible, and Star Wars, Clone Wars, and Rebels. I guess Rebels is still relatively recent, but Clone Wars ended like several years ago. But I am glad I watched those before watching the Mandalorian because there’s a lot of context. Like you don’t need it to watch the Mandalorian but it certainly helps.
As a quick aside, here I am super duper excited. Disney had their investor call recently as I record this, and they announced a whole slew of great-looking content, including Obi-Wan Kenobi, Soaker is getting her own kind of miniseries, and then a new animated series called the Bad Batch, which is like the spiritual successor of Clone Wars. So like I said just moments ago, I love the Star Wars expanding universe and Disney is going all the way in on it. And that’s super-duper exciting. But if you’re not as in the Star Wars as I am, definitely, definitely check out Ted Lasso if you haven’t. It’s so good.
Okay, music. I usually defer to Spotify’s Wrapped for music, which means this year my music number one was First to Eleven. They are a relatively young band out in Allegheny County, I think, in Pennsylvania, which is about five hours from where I live. If you’re wondering if they’re local to me, they’re not. I discovered them…I mean, this is crazy, because I only really listen to their cover songs. I don’t know how much original work they have. But I like their covers. I think they’re a talented group of kids. And I love, love, love cover songs.
According to Spotify, I listened to them the most. If we’re picking like artists that I listened to a lot with original music that I liked the best, I would have to say Lewis Capaldi tops that list for me this year. Lewis Capaldi writes a lot of sad songs but I like them. Actually, “Someone You Loved” was my most listened to Song of the Year. “Someone You Loved” by Lewis Capaldi, followed by “Someone You Loved as covered by First to Eleven. I love Spotify’s wrapped feature. I can’t believe they’ve been doing it for however long they’ve been doing it for us. It feels like so long. But I think they did a great job. There we go. I just opened it up to get the actual numbers, which I guess I could have done or I could cut this part out, but I’m not going to do that.
What I think is interesting about this, the Spotify Wrapped feature is that first of all it’s in the app only, right? It’s no longer on the website. But it also is very similar to like Instagram stories. So I’m wondering if there’s…there’s a rumor that they’re going to be rolling that out. So, yeah, my top artists of 2020 are First to Eleven, Lewis Capaldi, The Beatles, and Andrea Bocelli. So there you go. That’s my top music for this year.
Movie. I didn’t watch a lot of movies this year. I watched a lot of TV. I don’t go to the movies a lot generally. But Hamilton has to take it this year. The movie came out on Disney Plus around the 4th of July. I loved the musical. My wife and I saw the musical to celebrate our one year wedding anniversary. I listened to the soundtrack for about a solid two years before that. So getting to see it with the original cast the way that they did it with all the up-close visuals and the stagecraft, Hamilton was number one.
I am super duper excited for what’s coming next year again, because HBO Max and Warner Brothers have announced that for 30 days during the theatrical release of each movie they’re putting out this year, starting with in 2021, but starting with Wonder Woman (1984) on Christmas Day, it’s going to be on HBO max with your membership for 30 days. So I suspect I will be watching a lot more movies in 2021 because I don’t have to find a babysitter, pick a movie to go to, you find the right date. How bad do I want to see this? We can just watch one on a Friday night.
I will also be excited because it was a long-standing tradition for me and my brothers in our adult lives to go to the movies on Christmas Day. Because, you know, we were adults, it was pretty low key Christmas, and it was a way for all four of us to hang out. So I’m excited to see a new movie on Christmas Day. Slightly different. Maybe I’ll simulcast it with my brothers. But yeah, so I’m excited for that. I hope that other movie makers follow suit. I don’t suspect Disney will in the same way. They might do what they did for Milan, which was like an upcharge. Which, if I want to see the movie bad enough, I would pay the upcharge. So there you go. My favorite movie of the year was Hamilton.
And then podcast. Last year, my favorite podcast was Upgrade. It’s tough for me because I didn’t really start listening to a lot of new podcasts this year. I listened to 13 Minutes to the Moon, which I thought was super interesting. I’ve Hotdog is a Sandwich by Mythical media, which is Rhett and Link. Well, it’s not Rhett and Link on the show but it’s that same group of folks. I’ve listened to the FiveThirtyEight podcasts a lot more.
You know what? Actually, I’m calling an audible right now. I was gonna say Upgrade plus, is my favorite podcast of this year, which is the members-only version of Upgrade, but I have gotten a lot of joy from listening to Advisory Opinions. Actually, you’ll be able to hear it right here, whereas podcast Advisory Opinions I’ve been enjoying this. It is by Sarah Isgur and David French of The Dispatch, which is a great news outlet in my opinion. And they are both familiar with the law. I believe they’re both lawyers. David French was a JAG lawyer for some time and then Sarah is so familiar with the law that I can’t imagine she’s not a lawyer. But I’ve just never confirmed that. But, I mean, yeah, she’s a Harvard Law grad. So yeah, she is a hit. She is also a lawyer.
They provide just such incredible insight into the law of the land, supreme court hearings, their analysis…it was a crazy year for the Supreme Court. And their analysis and their look I think is very, very objective. They make it very clear when it’s not objective. But I have learned a ton from them this year. So if you are interested in all the legal goings ons here in America, I think that Advisory Opinions with hosts Sarah Isgur and David French is just fantastic. I think they are honest, they understand the law really well. They’re like nerds about the Supreme Court. And hearing their passion come through on the show doesn’t make it like a just a dry look at the law. So I’m calling on Audible here. Honorable mentions to Upgrade Plus and Connected Pro because I think that their members-only sections are really great. But Advisory Opinions is my favorite podcast of 2020.
So with that, that’s everything. A quick rundown I guess if I can remember everything now is my favorite gadget is the Elgato Stream Deck. My favorite app is Milanote. Thing I learned is hiring more. Book was The Ride of a Lifetime by Bob Iger. TV show is Ted Lasso, movie is Hamilton, music was a toss-up between First to Eleven and Lewis Capaldi. And podcast was Advisory Opinions.
What were your favorites of 2020? Let me know by tweeting at me @JCasabona. There will be links to all of the show notes over at howibuilt.it/199. I hope you enjoyed this episode. I wanted something fun and light-hearted to end the year with. Thanks so much to our sponsors ConvertKit and Hostinger. To learn more about them and to sign up for that fantastic newsletter I mentioned at the top of the show, you can head over to howibuilt.it/199. Thanks so much for listening. And until next year, get out there and build something.